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	<title>Comments on: Penn West Energy: More Questions Than Answers After Q1 2008 Earnings</title>
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		<title>By: The Enlightened American &#187; Penn West Energy Trust (PWE) Q2 Earnings Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Enlightened American &#187; Penn West Energy Trust (PWE) Q2 Earnings Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spike in energy prices helped dull some of the questions I had regarding the company last quarter but those concerns still remain. Even with the robust levels in cash flow, debt levels (and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Enlightened American &#187; Portfolio Performance: +16.6% YTD</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Enlightened American &#187; Portfolio Performance: +16.6% YTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Penn West Energy: More Questions Than Answers After Q1 2008 Earnings  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Davy Bui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy Bui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another quick comment:

Running the numbers on Endev Energy, I show them paying $25 EV/proved BOE.  For reference, my same number on Devon Energy is $16 EV/proved BOE. 

I admit my calculations are pretty rough but part of the point in my post regarding the replacement ratios and with the acquisitions is that, currently, PWE is less of an E&amp;P and more of an A&amp;P (Acquisition &amp; Production).

As everyone knows, oil prices are very high right now.  And PWE is basically buying oil (via acquisitions) to replace their production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another quick comment:</p>
<p>Running the numbers on Endev Energy, I show them paying $25 EV/proved BOE.  For reference, my same number on Devon Energy is $16 EV/proved BOE. </p>
<p>I admit my calculations are pretty rough but part of the point in my post regarding the replacement ratios and with the acquisitions is that, currently, PWE is less of an E&#038;P and more of an A&#038;P (Acquisition &#038; Production).</p>
<p>As everyone knows, oil prices are very high right now.  And PWE is basically buying oil (via acquisitions) to replace their production.</p>
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		<title>By: Davy Bui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy Bui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey EJ,

As of right now, I don&#039;t have a whole lot of oil/gas prospects on-deck.  Generally speaking, when everybody is talking about something, it&#039;s best to look elsewhere. My previous investments (ESV, CHK, DVN) were made last year.  The run-up in the commodities has driven up the whole sector -- even old blowhards on my watchlist  like Talisman (TLM) and Vaalco Energy (EGY) have run up 50%+ lately.  I&#039;m looking for a pullback but even if the peak oil train is leaving, I&#039;m still maintaining discipline.  

Despite my belief that peak oil is correct, I try to maintain a value-investing approach in my energy investments, looking for companies at a discount to NAV or FCF.  After all, there&#039;s always a chance that we&#039;re wrong and if so, a margin of safety will cushion the losses.

The reasons I haven&#039;t sold all of my PWE: 1) relatively low downside risk + lack of cheap alternative investments, 2) tax purposes -- my position was built up throughout 2007 and I want to minimize short-term cap gains, 3) greed -- they still have that nice oil sands position surrounded by Shell and if peak oil is correct, even PWE will benefit to some extent.

I looked at XEC late last year -- have no clue why I didn&#039;t buy but as you saw with BAM, happens quite a bit with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey EJ,</p>
<p>As of right now, I don&#8217;t have a whole lot of oil/gas prospects on-deck.  Generally speaking, when everybody is talking about something, it&#8217;s best to look elsewhere. My previous investments (ESV, CHK, DVN) were made last year.  The run-up in the commodities has driven up the whole sector &#8212; even old blowhards on my watchlist  like Talisman (TLM) and Vaalco Energy (EGY) have run up 50%+ lately.  I&#8217;m looking for a pullback but even if the peak oil train is leaving, I&#8217;m still maintaining discipline.  </p>
<p>Despite my belief that peak oil is correct, I try to maintain a value-investing approach in my energy investments, looking for companies at a discount to NAV or FCF.  After all, there&#8217;s always a chance that we&#8217;re wrong and if so, a margin of safety will cushion the losses.</p>
<p>The reasons I haven&#8217;t sold all of my PWE: 1) relatively low downside risk + lack of cheap alternative investments, 2) tax purposes &#8212; my position was built up throughout 2007 and I want to minimize short-term cap gains, 3) greed &#8212; they still have that nice oil sands position surrounded by Shell and if peak oil is correct, even PWE will benefit to some extent.</p>
<p>I looked at XEC late last year &#8212; have no clue why I didn&#8217;t buy but as you saw with BAM, happens quite a bit with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the interesting article Davy, it was definately enlightening because I too assumed funds flow was trust talk for cash flow. Going from $650 in CF to $300 something really puts a damper on what I thought was a solid investment. Taking into account changes in working capital is accounting double speak and I am really disappointed that management has resorted to this.

They have also closed off higher commodity prices bailing them out with the low hedges. It appears that PWE cant fund there dividend from operating CF and will have to continue to reduce working capital and sale assets till the hedges run though.

That pretty much screws all of my calculations up and makes me question management. Reductions in working capital are not sustainable and shouldn’t be included in YOY calculations.

I wonder how much of the 2.8 billion that they project generating is generated via operations and how much of it is asset sales and reductions in capital.

This is really disappointing and really distorts things. Its rough because I thought this would be a good vehicle to ride out peak oil but, that does not appear to be the case.

Management has great assets but seems content with diluting shareholders and acquiring more assets.

What makes you hold instead of selling and redeploying into XEC, CNQ, or something else. Also what other oil and gas investments do you like.

I also hold ESV but, am looking for other options that arent PWE. XEC is mostly natural gas and is a FCF beast, I am hoping to acquire it on the next pull back. Thanks for your comments, Ej.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting article Davy, it was definately enlightening because I too assumed funds flow was trust talk for cash flow. Going from $650 in CF to $300 something really puts a damper on what I thought was a solid investment. Taking into account changes in working capital is accounting double speak and I am really disappointed that management has resorted to this.</p>
<p>They have also closed off higher commodity prices bailing them out with the low hedges. It appears that PWE cant fund there dividend from operating CF and will have to continue to reduce working capital and sale assets till the hedges run though.</p>
<p>That pretty much screws all of my calculations up and makes me question management. Reductions in working capital are not sustainable and shouldn’t be included in YOY calculations.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of the 2.8 billion that they project generating is generated via operations and how much of it is asset sales and reductions in capital.</p>
<p>This is really disappointing and really distorts things. Its rough because I thought this would be a good vehicle to ride out peak oil but, that does not appear to be the case.</p>
<p>Management has great assets but seems content with diluting shareholders and acquiring more assets.</p>
<p>What makes you hold instead of selling and redeploying into XEC, CNQ, or something else. Also what other oil and gas investments do you like.</p>
<p>I also hold ESV but, am looking for other options that arent PWE. XEC is mostly natural gas and is a FCF beast, I am hoping to acquire it on the next pull back. Thanks for your comments, Ej.</p>
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